Yes thats right norton is the best example of never give hope. The were suckers once but now are top. ITs true its grandma suited. Even kaspersky is pretty good until your grandma does not poke around the settings. They have reduced a lot of popup queries. But the biggest reducer is comodo IS. Comodo used to pop an alert for each n every thing but from the 5.6version its drasticly dropped. Just now one of my relatives got quickheal. They purchased through their isp so got it at a discount. They are pretty happy with it.